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MISTICA: Mistica vista desde afuera

From: Daniel Pimienta ([email protected])
Date: Wed Aug 27 2003 - 10:40:17 AST

Dos comentarios (en ingl�s) sobre el documento colectivo:
"Trabajando la Internet con una visi�n social" en dos
espacios virtuales differentes, la lista GCNP (las
redes comunitarias globales) y la lista CIVIC (dedicada
a las TIC en el Caribe).

El primero es un comentario de Garth Graham, de
una red comunitaria canadiense y autor de
"A Manifesto for Daily Life Online"
http://www.globalcn.org/es/article.ntd?id=148

Es muy largo entonces lo vamos a colocar con su permiso
en la ciberoteca. No sera antes de la semana proxima
por razones de ... vacaciones.

Comienza diciendo:
>I was greatly encouraged by Daniel Pimienta�s circulation,
>22 Aug 2003, of the MISTICA document on "Working the
>Internet with a Social Vision."
>http://funredes.org/mistica/english/cyberlibrary/thematic/eng_doc_olist2.html
>After finishing the �Manifesto,� I was in despair that the
>quiet voices coming from the experience of daily life online
>were going to be completely absent from WSIS. Now I see
>that something profound is occurring in the community
>networking movement itself such that, if they are absent, it
>doesn�t really matter. This is a wonderfully useful and
>approachable document.

Y luego aporta comentarios donde subraya diferencias de
visi�n entre su Manifesto y nuestro documento colectivo que
podrian abrir un interesante debate. Si hay reacciones se
la restransmitare.

Lo otro es una reacci�n breve de un responsable de la red SDNP de
Guyana a la cual respondi para tratar de levantar malentendidos:

>From: Vidyaratha Kissoon <[email protected]>
>To: "Caribbean ICT virtual community CIVIC" <[email protected]>
>Date: 26 Aug 2003 08:41:12 -0400
>
>The MISTICA document is definitely good reading, and has principles
>which are valuable for consideration when considering ICT for
>development projects.
>However, after having survived Guyana's socialist experiment which
>seemed to subsume individual talents and liberties to 'community', I am
>hesitant to be an activist proponent of the 'collective' visioning.
>Yours
>Vidya
>Manager - SDNP, Guyana
>http://www.sdnp.org.gy

>Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 22:14:57 -0400
>To: "Caribbean ICT virtual community CIVIC" <[email protected]>
>From: Daniel Pimienta <[email protected]>
>Subject: [icacaribbean] Collective visioning
>
>This is very interesting Vidya.
>
>I am afraid we may be facing a purely semantic issue.
>
>The "collective" creation of that document is a process very similar
>to the one we are aiming to see happen in CIVIC. And the "community"
>sense is derived from virtual community or to the plain sense of
>a group of persons sharing space and time in the non virtual space.
>The "social vision", the same, refers to the plain sense of the term
>and could be even extended to the useful French term of "societal"
>(which refers to the society).
>
>This has nothing to do with "collectiv...ism" or "commun...ism"
>or "social...ism".
>
>The MISTICA virtual community is composed of some 400 people
>who have different political opinions and is a mix of academics
>and civil society stakeholders from Latin America and the Caribbean
>(only 27 from the Caribbean and unfortunately only 4 from the
>English speaking Caribbean).
>
>If you "revise" your first impression I will not call it ...
>"revision...ism" :-)
>
>Best to you.

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